Feedback Response on Fanatical Anti-Christian Evolutionist Idiots
On January 12, 2008 in Feedback
Ken Sturmer responded to my article Fanatical Anti-Christian Evolutionist Idiots, so I felt it was necessary to make his voice heard, and address his claims. Below is his response, and my comments.
Evolution is a theory yes, however Creationism is even less than that. It is ignorance, based on faulty Faith.
And your evidence for believing this? Let’s first define that term, so as to not confuse you any further. Creation Science is the position that our Universe was created by the God of the Bible. Seeing how the God of the Bible is logical and orderly, we would expect to see the same in His Creation. Introducing SCIENCE! It is because we, Christians, trust that the Creation is logical and orderly that we can sample and test things, gathering information about the world around us.
The Bible encourages Christians to study, speak to the Earth, and learn. So to claim that Creationists are anti-Science is as far from the truth as you could get. In reality, we have a much greater commitment to Science than most Evolutionists, since we have direct declaration from God himself to partake in it!
Religion is religion, and science is science. That may sound silly, but Religion is about faith, which in reality has no basis. Faith is belief, and nothing else.
Science is not a self-standing entity. It requires people to interpret the data it reveals. So you cannot claim that Science is flawless and perfect in every way, thereby asserting that Evolution is true. If the people interpreting the data aren’t perfect, then the ideas drawn from the data cannot always be perfect.
And what is wrong with belief? Are you telling me that you don’t believe Evolution is true, and shaping our World today? I mean, you cannot claim something is true unless you’re lying, or you believe it. If you tell your Wife you love her, should she believe you? If you tell the IRS that you paid your taxes, should they believe you? If belief is wrong, then how can I believe you when you say Evolution is true?
Regarding Faith, what is wrong with that? I have faith in my wife. I have faith in the structure of my home, I have faith in my God, and I have faith in Science to discover more about His Creation. You have faith in the mechanics of Evolution to explain our origin. Don’t tell me there is something wrong with faith, because that simply isn’t true.
It’s only when people adhere more closely to their faith than they do logic that we have a problem. If you ask me, this is what we’re seeing in Evolutionists today. They don’t do Science, they don’t cure diseases, the don’t put men on the Moon, they don’t advance our medical knowledge with their work. Evolution has helped absolutely nothing, yet against all odds you still believe it. That is when faith becomes dangerous.
I don’t fault you for believing, however when you try and cram your beliefs down everyone elses throats. That’s when you become obnoxious idiots.
I couldn’t agree with you more. So please stop cramming Evolutionism down the throats of children. Please stop advancing your faith and beliefs onto society. Keep your religion to yourself, and don’t try to convert the world to the Religion of Evolutionism.
Fundamentalism has no basis in reality. I cannot change your mind about that.
Fundamentalism is nothing more than an adherence to the Fundamentals. I would hope that these have a place in Society. Without teaching the fundamentals of Biology to students, we wouldn’t have doctors tomorrow. Without learning the fundamentals of fiscal responsibility, we would have a nation of poverty. Evolutionists fear the fundamentals, because they have it ignore them in order to advance their faith on to Society. The vast majority of Evolutionist-claims were not tested via the fundamental Scientific Method. Nor were they observed, as the fundamentals of Science require. This is why you don’t like fundamentals, but everybody else loves them. Don’t blame me if fundamental logic ruins your theory.
You have chosen to believe what you do, and that is your business.
You’re right - based upon logic, deduction and observation I have chosen what to believe. You’ve done the same, minus the logic, deduction and observation. And as you said, that is your business. But keep it to yourself, or find Evidence to support it.
However when you try and force others to believe in your false religion, than it is high time you are stopped in your tracks.
I couldn’t agree more. Hope to see you back off of your religious attacks and faith-motivated nonsensical claims about Evolutionism.
Why do you believe in God? I would like for you to look back, if you can remember, to when you made the choice to believe in God. What made you believe? What input, what thoughts?
I do honestly not understand why anyone can believe in a fairytale out of an old book. Man, its just a book.
Just imagine that I’m right, and its just a storybook. How would you look at those who believed it for so long?
I think its very natural for a person to fear death. The fear of not existing forevermore. So you seek comfort. Believe in something unbelievable, and escape the thought of forever silence.
I don’t believe in God of the Bible, but I do think there’s more to the world then what we know.
This cannot really be debated using science or logic. Because in the end, its all about perception.
In the end we will all find out anyways. Or not.
Thats my view.
IMHO
Jo Are By :
I have no idea how to impart my relationship with God unto you. I believe in God and remember the exact moment that he became real to me. I talked just like you till that moment. Please understand that there is no way for any person to bring you to that spiritual understanding. However if you are looking it will come.
Jo Are By,
You have a common misunderstanding regarding why I believe in God. You feel that it was a fear-motivated decision. I didn’t decide that I would believe in a Creator simply because I feared eternal silence after I die. Actually, the same case could be made for Atheists - did you decide NOT to believe in a Creator simply because you fear the eternal consequences based upon the decisions you make today? It simply isn’t proper to assume that all Christians believe solely due to a fear of an eternity of silence.
The Bible says “Speak to the Earth, and it shall teach thee” in Job 12:8. In Proverbs 6:6 we are told to “Go to the ant, and consider her ways.” Again in 2 Timothy 2:15 we are commanded to “study”, in order to show ourselves “approved”. The Bible strongly encourages, and even demands that the reader go and study the Creation. Consider the creatures within, learn, be wise. The reason for this is found in Romans 1:20, “For the invisible things of him [God] from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.”
So by studying the Creation, we are drawn to the Creator. Much in the same way that by studying a piece of documentation or writing, you learn more about the Author. Many people have decided to substitute the obvious Author of Creation with a whim idea called Evolutionism. They study the Creation, and as the Bible informs us, they are drawn to a Creator. Instead of acknowledging the real Creator, they create one of their own. We have become the people in Romans 1:25 “Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever.”
Many of our more prominent Scientists today are where they are simply because of their conclusion after studying the evidence of Creation. Dr. Raymond Damadian who pioneered the life-saving MRI which can be found in practically every hospital today. Isaac Newton said regarding his discovery of Gravity, “Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain who set the planets in motion. God governs all things and knows all that is or can be done.”
In short, this is why I believe in the God of the Bible. The evidence goes on and on, but for sake of time I’ll leave it at this.
Best Wishes,
Jonathan Sampson
Jor are by
Jo Are By Said,
“This cannot really be debated using science or logic. Because in the end, its all about perception.”
I agree that it is all about perception!
If I took you to Mount Rush More and told you that natural running water carved it out, and by chance they happen to look like our former presidents, what would you say? I believe you would think I’m crazy. Yet this is by far easier than to create life by chance or by accident! In everything around me I preceive a design, hence there must be a designer! GOD!
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
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